DaremoS

Concerning "emulators", I prefer to call them so instead of clones ... I do have 2 emulators: a C260 and an Onda VX858, which both are rockchip players and both are perfect emulators.

To pick perfect emulators it have to make coincidences in all areas, but the brand. Starting by the chip obviously, and the user need to have the knwoledge on what to do if the player get bricked.

00christian00... few days ago I saw a device looking exactly as an Onda VX979, I have seen some extra features in this machine like it is to play Real video, so I go to the seller and check the machine, which was in fact a rockchip player of 2.4" screen. In that moment i know that this machine wouldn't run the latest versions of VX979 as that version are based on ADI solution as you said... isn't so?

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neucom

Ok you got it all wrong...Vtech and Pasen t39's aren't clones....because Teclast is not the creator of the player, neither Vtech or Pasen....is the TianJao as many of us on this forum already know.....Teclast only bought a player and branded as theirs, just like many other companies...So they can't be clones....
You should trust 00christian00, he is from Pasen and if my info is correct, he was in China visiting the factory with many other brand owners so I think he already knows which players are clones or not....you can check in many china wholesalers and you'll see that no other manufacturer have the Wolfson T39....just the rockchips versions at least for a while....
The rockchips versions can do almost the same things the wolfson/telechips does, the main and big difference is the performance and the sound quality the wolfson/telechips have.
If you're in desperate need to know the tech specs of that product, you should contact the seller and request the info from them, I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to give it to you because you'll be considered a potential buyer....That's what I do most of the time....
Oh and btw....you can see the player is a rockchip just because of the layout of the menus...very classic rockchip....

00christian00

@lhassal
I was only trying to help you to waste time.If you don't wanna believe us then it's your decision.
Why should I give you proof to you?If you want to waste your time by not trusting others,doesn't mean others are also willing to do just to make you believe us.I just tell you that I do the sourcing for Pasen,went to china,know many factories and solution you don't even know of his existence,and saw this model with same shape and same interface from many factories,as this is a public model.
To understand public model I have to explain how chinese factories works.
In china 99% of factories doesn't have any development team,they just buy pcs of hardware from other company and assemble them,that is public model.Then there are some factory that ask these company doing the hardware to develop something for them,only for them,it could be just shape of the player or could be some special software function,that is private model.
The model you posted is private models,it mean any factory can buy its pieces and assemble that model,now even the vx858 has become public that's why always more brand are appearing using it.The T39 with telechip maybe is private,I am not sure of this,it could just be that factory don't wanna offer that model since telechip is 10 usd more expensive than rockchip.
Hell,even our Pasen Touchmusic factory can offer that model you listed,is that enough for you?!

@Daremos
I never said vx979 was based on ADI.I listed you on the other topic which models are based on ADI BF533.The vx979 is a rockchip rk2608.Maybe you mean the vx989+,that is based on Ingenic jz4740.
It has same shape as the vx989 as it come from same factory, and they just used the same mold.
I just said the ADI bf533 is more powerful than the ingenic,as it is 600mhz and slighly less new(so more developed) but also much more expensive and consume much more battery.

@Neucom
You are right,afterall it's just hardware.The telechip is much more powerful than rockchip (but the new rockchip is coming out soon) and thus allow faster response and greater function.
T39 with last firmware has the following features that shitty rockchip you posted doesn't have :
-30 fps video playback.Rockchip struggle at 24 fps with some video and must use 20fps
-Album cover art.For me this is just worth much
-playlist
-picture browser
-easier and safer method for upgrading firmware
-responsive touchscreen
-greater equalization possibilities
-greater customization of interface
-and now they are adding flv support,which will be much smoother than in rockchip
-audio in

Oh yes,very little difference with the one you posted,and most importantly they are useless features...

lhassall

Okay, I can tell you the T59 is coming out in June 2008 and will use a Dik2000 chip... I'm not going to how I know this or provide any evidence... You have to trust me

I think it's fair to ask someone how they arrived at a particular point of view or opinion... Being linked to a particular company and its products you're more likely to be presenting a biased view... And a lot of your posts are so pro-T39 and anti-other chip/manufacturer/product.

The T39 may offer more than a Rockchip player, but there are still many bugs and other players offer features it hasn't got: RMVB, WMV, AAC, APE, FLV, VideoCD, 16 million colours, SD card, TV output, BMP, GIF, PNG...

00christian00

Mmmh,maybe because these post were on teclast forum and teclast use only rockchip and telechip in his latest models?!
If an hardware is superior why shouldn't i point it out?
You can't tell me my post are biased,as i have both player with rockchip and telechip and if you just watch some post above i told ADI is even better(an no we don't deal any product with ADI now).....
So don't jump to conclusion with just 1-2 post you saw.
"The T39 may offer more than a Rockchip player, but there are still many bugs and other players offer features it hasn't got: RMVB, WMV, AAC, APE, FLV, VideoCD, 16 million colours, SD card, TV output, BMP, GIF, PNG.."

What has this to do with the comparison between rockchip and telechip?
Have I ever said telechip is the most powerful one?NO NEVER,I don't get why you are always putting words in my mouth i never said.You said the spec were the same i showed you they weren't.STOP.
However i don't wanna enter a fight,so I finish here.C YA.

00christian00

And regarding your proof thing.
I had a HTC wizard before,and that's a pda that got so many hacked update,i bought it with windows mobile 5,and made it at least 5 important update of OS with it,reaching even windows mobile 6.
If some new update come out and some users did complain it had problems, i didn't go to them asking for proof and screenshoot of the problem just because i wanted to be sure they did tell the truth.

lhassall

I'm perfectly calm... You're the one that's shouting "NO NEVER" "STOP"

Who's talking about proof of bugs??? People only post bugs to see if others have had the same problem, for advice on workarounds, or to highlight a potential issue to support staff (who can easily recreate and investigate locally).

My only issue is with your first replies... You could have replied once, stating just said you'd visited the factory, you'd seen this model, and know it was a Rockchip-based version... I would have accepted this.

But no, you had to say "we all are sure of this" and "it's rockchip simply because we know it"... Like you're part of some elite group of experts and somehow better than the rest of us Even now the so-called experts still can't agree on what versions of the T39 were sold where and when!

I'm just pointing out that you're "more likely" to present a biased view... I'll leave it to other people to read your posts and decide. However, it is common courtesy to highlight in your signature that you are affiliated to particular brands/resellers/products.

It's kind of ironic that this forum is now called "MP4 Users", when it's dominated by a few people who have an interest in selling/reselling these products. If you all just sit around praising Teclast products to the skies then the firmware won't improve and we won't get better products.